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		By: Live in Belgium		</title>
		<link>https://www.liveinbelgium.be/orange-card-annexe-bijlage-19ter/#comment-1107</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2020 08:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.liveinbelgium.be/orange-card-annexe-bijlage-19ter/#comment-1102&quot;&gt;Grad&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;Hi Grad, travelling for work is a rather common problem for those holding an Orange Card because you are not supposed to leave Belgium for 6 months before getting an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.liveinbelgium.be/f-card-belgium/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer&quot;&gt;F Card&lt;/a&gt;. You have to apply for a Return Visa for work purposes while waiting for your residency permit. For work reasons, your Return Visa will get approval with a provision of a company letter or contract.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;After getting your F Card, you can travel freely within the EU exercising your right within the EU member states for a non-EU citizen. F Card and Orange Card are both not travel documents. You still have to carry your passport + F Card (compulsory) with you when taking a plane for immigration control even though the Customs officers don&#039;t check the passport within the Schengen zone most of the time. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;They will still check your residence permit to see if you have the right to stay and travel without a valid visa (applicable for some non-EU countries) Usually, these Customs officers do not ask a lot of questions. Even if they do, it is just a routine check such as asking you what you are doing in Germany. Overall, things should go fine once you get the F Card. Remember to apply for your Return Visa asap as it takes some time for approval. &lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://www.liveinbelgium.be/orange-card-annexe-bijlage-19ter/#comment-1102">Grad</a>.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Hi Grad, travelling for work is a rather common problem for those holding an Orange Card because you are not supposed to leave Belgium for 6 months before getting an <a target="_blank" href="http://www.liveinbelgium.be/f-card-belgium/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">F Card</a>. You have to apply for a Return Visa for work purposes while waiting for your residency permit. For work reasons, your Return Visa will get approval with a provision of a company letter or contract.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">After getting your F Card, you can travel freely within the EU exercising your right within the EU member states for a non-EU citizen. F Card and Orange Card are both not travel documents. You still have to carry your passport + F Card (compulsory) with you when taking a plane for immigration control even though the Customs officers don&#8217;t check the passport within the Schengen zone most of the time. </p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">They will still check your residence permit to see if you have the right to stay and travel without a valid visa (applicable for some non-EU countries) Usually, these Customs officers do not ask a lot of questions. Even if they do, it is just a routine check such as asking you what you are doing in Germany. Overall, things should go fine once you get the F Card. Remember to apply for your Return Visa asap as it takes some time for approval. </p>
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		By: Grad		</title>
		<link>https://www.liveinbelgium.be/orange-card-annexe-bijlage-19ter/#comment-1102</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2020 17:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;Hi Dear MissSJ,

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;I would like to have info from your side, maybe you could give a suggestion or maybe you know for a similar situation. Recently I have applied for status change and apply for reunification with my wife (EU citizen). Before that, I had a temporary ID card via employment. I received the Orange card, already with a national registration number on it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;I was told that I could not leave Belgium for 6 months, but I realize that it is possible but with some additional documents which I have to carry with me. I’m not 100% sure about this because I travel outside the EU for business reasons (it’s a must).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;In this &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.commissioner.brussels/i-am-an-expat/residence-formalities/non-ue-citizen/79-residence-formalities-non-ue/86-family-reunification&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt; it has been stated: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;“The orange card itself is not a residence permit and indeed you cannot travel with this document. However, the following Directive can apply: DIRECTIVE 2004/38/EC OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 29 April 2004 on the right of citizens of the Union and their family members to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member States.  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;You will have to bring a little file with you when you travel, gathering the wedding certificate, copy of the Belgian residence permit of your partner, copy of his/her employment contract, your orange card and appendix 19ter, a document concerning the purpose of your trip, … Of course, if you are travelling with your EU partner it’s easier. But indeed you might face questions at the border.” &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;On this basis, I can, therefore, go out freely on the territory of the Member States, but I am not sure that this is also visible for non-EU Member States?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;So, I am thinking to go by train to Germany and take an airplane from Frankfurt and back the same way. Also, I am not sure if Germany will ask some questions at the airport and passport control checks? Thank you in advance for the advice. Grad.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">Hi Dear MissSJ,</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I would like to have info from your side, maybe you could give a suggestion or maybe you know for a similar situation. Recently I have applied for status change and apply for reunification with my wife (EU citizen). Before that, I had a temporary ID card via employment. I received the Orange card, already with a national registration number on it.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I was told that I could not leave Belgium for 6 months, but I realize that it is possible but with some additional documents which I have to carry with me. I’m not 100% sure about this because I travel outside the EU for business reasons (it’s a must).</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In this <a target="_blank" href="https://www.commissioner.brussels/i-am-an-expat/residence-formalities/non-ue-citizen/79-residence-formalities-non-ue/86-family-reunification" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc">link</a> it has been stated: </p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><i>“The orange card itself is not a residence permit and indeed you cannot travel with this document. However, the following Directive can apply: DIRECTIVE 2004/38/EC OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 29 April 2004 on the right of citizens of the Union and their family members to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member States.  </i></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><i>You will have to bring a little file with you when you travel, gathering the wedding certificate, copy of the Belgian residence permit of your partner, copy of his/her employment contract, your orange card and appendix 19ter, a document concerning the purpose of your trip, … Of course, if you are travelling with your EU partner it’s easier. But indeed you might face questions at the border.” </i></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">On this basis, I can, therefore, go out freely on the territory of the Member States, but I am not sure that this is also visible for non-EU Member States?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">So, I am thinking to go by train to Germany and take an airplane from Frankfurt and back the same way. Also, I am not sure if Germany will ask some questions at the airport and passport control checks? Thank you in advance for the advice. Grad.</p>
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		By: Live in Belgium		</title>
		<link>https://www.liveinbelgium.be/orange-card-annexe-bijlage-19ter/#comment-1100</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Live in Belgium]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2020 07:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.liveinbelgium.be/orange-card-annexe-bijlage-19ter/#comment-1099&quot;&gt;Anunaki&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;Hi Anunaki, I believe the notifier is the letter sent to your house with the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.liveinbelgium.be/f-card-belgium/#PIN-PUK-Code&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer&quot;&gt;PUK Pin Code&lt;/a&gt; to the identification card. You need to bring it when you collect your eID.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://www.liveinbelgium.be/orange-card-annexe-bijlage-19ter/#comment-1099">Anunaki</a>.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Hi Anunaki, I believe the notifier is the letter sent to your house with the <a target="_blank" href="http://www.liveinbelgium.be/f-card-belgium/#PIN-PUK-Code" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">PUK Pin Code</a> to the identification card. You need to bring it when you collect your eID.</p>
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		By: Anunaki		</title>
		<link>https://www.liveinbelgium.be/orange-card-annexe-bijlage-19ter/#comment-1099</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anunaki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2020 17:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;Hello madame, I have one question. I&#039;ve got a letter today from my commune for delivery of my AI card + notifier BR. Do you have any idea what is the meaning of &#039;Notifier BR&#039;? Thanks in advance .&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">Hello madame, I have one question. I&#8217;ve got a letter today from my commune for delivery of my AI card + notifier BR. Do you have any idea what is the meaning of &#8216;Notifier BR&#8217;? Thanks in advance .</p>
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		By: Live in Belgium		</title>
		<link>https://www.liveinbelgium.be/orange-card-annexe-bijlage-19ter/#comment-1097</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Live in Belgium]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2020 08:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.liveinbelgium.be/orange-card-annexe-bijlage-19ter/#comment-1094&quot;&gt;Salman&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;Hi Salmah, the Annexe 19ter and the orange card will usually have the same date and issue on the same date while it is also common to issue the annexe first followed by the issuing of Orange Card later. The residence permit will only issue after 6 months on the annexe. If there are no documents stated, you may like to check with the Stadhuis if you need to submit any proof of relationship. I was thinking that you may just have to submit all the proof of relationship to them within 3 months from the date of the annexe 19ter. 

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;Please refer to the articles below and submit a copy of documents for proof of relationship.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;1) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.liveinbelgium.be/proof-of-relationship-evidence/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer&quot;&gt;Proof of Relationship: What to submit&lt;/a&gt; 
2) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.liveinbelgium.be/legal-cohabitation-visa-template/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer&quot;&gt;Suggested Family Reunification Template to File Your Documents&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://www.liveinbelgium.be/orange-card-annexe-bijlage-19ter/#comment-1094">Salman</a>.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Hi Salmah, the Annexe 19ter and the orange card will usually have the same date and issue on the same date while it is also common to issue the annexe first followed by the issuing of Orange Card later. The residence permit will only issue after 6 months on the annexe. If there are no documents stated, you may like to check with the Stadhuis if you need to submit any proof of relationship. I was thinking that you may just have to submit all the proof of relationship to them within 3 months from the date of the annexe 19ter. </p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Please refer to the articles below and submit a copy of documents for proof of relationship.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">1) <a target="_blank" href="http://www.liveinbelgium.be/proof-of-relationship-evidence/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Proof of Relationship: What to submit</a><br />
2) <a target="_blank" href="http://www.liveinbelgium.be/legal-cohabitation-visa-template/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Suggested Family Reunification Template to File Your Documents</a></p>
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		By: Salman		</title>
		<link>https://www.liveinbelgium.be/orange-card-annexe-bijlage-19ter/#comment-1094</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Salman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2020 15:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;Hello I am Salman, a British citizen. My wife is a non-EU citizen. She has come to Belgium under the free movement of rights. We are now in Belgium. I have her registered and applied for the residence permit in Belgium now. I have received annexe 19ter which is a letter of request for residence and not the orange card. I have been given a date in 6 months time. I am wondering how much time will they take to issue the residence permit to her and also on the annexe 19ter, it says documents to submit in 3 months are NONE.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">Hello I am Salman, a British citizen. My wife is a non-EU citizen. She has come to Belgium under the free movement of rights. We are now in Belgium. I have her registered and applied for the residence permit in Belgium now. I have received annexe 19ter which is a letter of request for residence and not the orange card. I have been given a date in 6 months time. I am wondering how much time will they take to issue the residence permit to her and also on the annexe 19ter, it says documents to submit in 3 months are NONE.</p>
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		By: Live in Belgium		</title>
		<link>https://www.liveinbelgium.be/orange-card-annexe-bijlage-19ter/#comment-1088</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Live in Belgium]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2020 12:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.liveinbelgium.be/orange-card-annexe-bijlage-19ter/#comment-1086&quot;&gt;Gloria&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;Hi Gloria, it seemed that you did not submit your proof of relationship in the first place. According to this &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.adde.be/ressources/fiches-pratiques/citoyens-union-europeenne/sejour-3-mois-ue#h6-1-recevabilite&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;website&lt;/a&gt;, after you have received Annex 20, you have to provide documents within 1 month. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;Please read these 2 articles and supply the information suggested there &lt;b&gt;within 1 month from the receipt of your Annex 20&lt;b/&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;1) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.liveinbelgium.be/proof-of-relationship-evidence/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer&quot;&gt;Proof of Relationship: What to submit&lt;/a&gt; 
2) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.liveinbelgium.be/legal-cohabitation-visa-template/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer&quot;&gt;Suggested Family Reunification Template to File Your Documents&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;If you think you cannot complete the proof of relationship on time, please send an email to the relevant authority/city and ask for the dateline to be extended.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://www.liveinbelgium.be/orange-card-annexe-bijlage-19ter/#comment-1086">Gloria</a>.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Hi Gloria, it seemed that you did not submit your proof of relationship in the first place. According to this <a target="_blank" href="https://www.adde.be/ressources/fiches-pratiques/citoyens-union-europeenne/sejour-3-mois-ue#h6-1-recevabilite" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc">website</a>, after you have received Annex 20, you have to provide documents within 1 month. </p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Please read these 2 articles and supply the information suggested there <b>within 1 month from the receipt of your Annex 20<b></b>:</b></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">1) <a target="_blank" href="http://www.liveinbelgium.be/proof-of-relationship-evidence/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Proof of Relationship: What to submit</a><br />
2) <a target="_blank" href="http://www.liveinbelgium.be/legal-cohabitation-visa-template/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Suggested Family Reunification Template to File Your Documents</a></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">If you think you cannot complete the proof of relationship on time, please send an email to the relevant authority/city and ask for the dateline to be extended.</p>
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		By: Gloria		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.liveinbelgium.be/orange-card-annexe-bijlage-19ter/#comment-1081&quot;&gt;Live in Belgium&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;I received annex 20 now which stated that I am allowed to live in Belgium because I am married to a Belgian man, but I need to register again and bring proof. But, they didn&#039;t state what documents I need to bring. Help me thanks.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://www.liveinbelgium.be/orange-card-annexe-bijlage-19ter/#comment-1081">Live in Belgium</a>.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I received annex 20 now which stated that I am allowed to live in Belgium because I am married to a Belgian man, but I need to register again and bring proof. But, they didn&#8217;t state what documents I need to bring. Help me thanks.</p>
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		By: Live in Belgium		</title>
		<link>https://www.liveinbelgium.be/orange-card-annexe-bijlage-19ter/#comment-1084</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Live in Belgium]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2020 12:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.liveinbelgium.be/orange-card-annexe-bijlage-19ter/#comment-1082&quot;&gt;Davinder Singh&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Davinder, every rejection letter will give you a reason for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.liveinbelgium.be/visa-denied-rejected-refusal/&quot;&gt;rejection&lt;/a&gt; and you didn&#039;t specify anything. You have to rectify the problem stated in the letter. If it is something you cannot do, it is best to ask a lawyer for a solution as I have no clue what was the reason for your refusal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a target="_blank" href="https://www.liveinbelgium.be/orange-card-annexe-bijlage-19ter/#comment-1082">Davinder Singh</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Davinder, every rejection letter will give you a reason for <a target="_blank" href="http://www.liveinbelgium.be/visa-denied-rejected-refusal/">rejection</a> and you didn&#8217;t specify anything. You have to rectify the problem stated in the letter. If it is something you cannot do, it is best to ask a lawyer for a solution as I have no clue what was the reason for your refusal.</p>
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		By: Davinder Singh		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2020 10:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;Hi, I applied 19ter and got orange card 2 times. The Belgium govt also gave negative answers to both my application. I gave everything that they wanted as proof. I don’t understand why my file was rejected. Please tell me what do I do now.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">Hi, I applied 19ter and got orange card 2 times. The Belgium govt also gave negative answers to both my application. I gave everything that they wanted as proof. I don’t understand why my file was rejected. Please tell me what do I do now.</p>
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